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Yoruba language is dying! Do you agree?

Discussion in 'MOVIES IN AFRICAN LANGUAGES' started by vince, Aug 24, 2005.

  1. Pete

    Pete Well-Known Member

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    Superior in what sense? An inconsistent language made up of thousands of other long-existed languages can't qualify superiority IMO.

    If you said that because many countries seem to embrace the language more than any other, probably because it's the official language of two great nations (UK and US), then that alone wouldn't make a point.

    While it might be convenient for one to play around with many English words (probably formed from other languages) that may be misconstrued, you can't use "simplicity" as a point to support your opinion either. It's not the hardest well-known language, neither is it the simplest.

    Waiting in anticipation for your response!
     
  2. Yvonne

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    Errrrmmmmm....mods, I asked a question, I shall re-ask it, shouldn't this be in the Yoruba Language forum........??
     
  3. Multioption

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    The one problem with NR members is lack of focus! I understand this place is set up for fun seekers but when serious matters crop up, members are quick at throwing in their emotion.

    You are free to assume, infer, and even conclude whatever you want. But I wish you post on this thread which lingo you feel is superior between yoruba/west-african-dialect and english without resorting to.... ! I am not sliding back but I can't speak for others!
     
  4. vince

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    One can say that yoruba is inferior simply because it has not been continually adapted to mordern times.It has not been finetuned and developed actively enough,unlike the other world lingos.
    And anything that is not being continually developed soon dies out.A lot of very old and sophisticated languages are already extinct because of this reason.
    The socalled yoruba scholars refuse to develop the language to fit mordern times,and as well as make it more appealing to the new generation.
    Don't ask me how they should do that,because i have no clue,but they being scholars,they should know.But the fact is,they doing nothing,or next to nothing is harming the language more than anything else,and that is a fact.
    Yoruba is not the only naija or african lingo facing real extinction threats,but most other native african languages too.All because of the same reason as stated above.
    What is not developed,dies!
     
  5. OlaMichael

    OlaMichael Don't Suffer Fools Gladly

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    Ok I see where you're coming from....even though that doesn't necessarily mean it is superior. Superiority cannot be based on the number of words a particular language has for a particular thing. I am hoping that you'd talk more in the sense of usage, prose, communication, depth of meaning, import....etc

    But just for arguments sake...and to continue this discussion....I (as in me) know of just the one word which is "igbagbo". Oya...Multi...over to you.



    Remember though...like Abike said...maybe proper documentation would have revealed more words that mean/imply the same things. :)
     
  6. Yvonne

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    Okay oh!!!!!!! I take it that because a mod started this thread, he/she will choose whichever forum to place it in......I rest my case.
     
  7. Abike

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    to piggy back on that, if we go to Ilorin, Oyo, Ibadan, Ilesha, i am sure we might hear different variations or definitions of the word faith, or any other word, BUT unfortunately, our culture does not support, AS IT SHOULD, documentation, maintenance, etc etc, hence the reason why "igbagbo" might be the first meaning of "faith" to many people, where for instance there may be other ways one can go about in expressing that single word....




     
  8. Abike

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    Yvonne, it was previously in the yoruba section, someone suggested placing it here so it can generate more discussion from people, thats all.....shebi una say you want controversial topics? ehn ehn!




     
  9. OlaMichael

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    eya, pele, sanu, ndo, sorry...(erm I no sabi the igbo one) :biggrinsa

    I think this topic is more appropriate here too. It allows for proper discourse and contribution. ;)
     
  10. Pete

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    You already said it: "Ndo". I thought "sanu" was a form of greeting, not sorry expression?
     
  11. Multioption

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    Pete,

    Our arbiter should be a comparison of english to any other lingo and not the source or inherent simplicity. Do you wish we compare your lingo to english to ascertain my point?

    To avoid repeating myself, I suggest whoever feels his/her lingo IS NOT inferior to english should respond to the question posed to Oyinkan!
     
  12. OlaMichael

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    Man mi....kilo 'n happen? Re the highlighted....but I just did. :)
     
  13. Pete

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    I still maintain my stance, Multi. Out of many languages that have been bastardized, English stands out. It’s so 'bad' that many English "words" aren’t even spelt or pronounced the same in different English-speaking countries.

    Does that kind of “flexibility” qualify superiority?
     
  14. Abike

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    why must english be the point of reference? english (like it has been said earlier) is made up of Latin, Hebrew, Greek and what not.....
     
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    I will say it again here vince. Yoruba is neither dead nor dying. It is alive and thriving. Yoruba as a language can be traced back further than english can. It is extensive. In terms of evolution, u can easily look to the different dialects of yoruba existent today. "develop the language to fit modern times"???? I don't think you understand how extensive the language already is.
     
  16. OlaMichael

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    Ooooo Where is Multi now???? Multi...see post #25.
     
  17. Pete

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    Faith=Okwukwe=bili=binye=kwere=ntinyeobi=kwee=ntukwasiobi=biri, and lots more I can’t remember. They’re ALL Igbo expressions – not borrowed, I believe – used in different Igbo cities for the expression "Faith".

    Now, give me 8 different English synonyms for "Faith" and let's see if AT LEAST one isn't derived from another language! Can those words be used interchangeably with Faith without the sentence having a double meaning?
     
  18. OlaMichael

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    Nice one Pete. :)


    Oya Multi....over to you. ****OlaMichael sits himself down, grabs a can of coke and awaits in anticipation**** ;)
     
  19. Multioption

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    OlaM, the question posed to Oyinkan is just one of many valid points I am going to highlight to support my argument. However, I may be forced to stop responding if NRulers keep getting emotional without strong points to invalidate my assertion.

    We don't have to guggle over non-essential. The forumite to whom the question was directed has failed to answer.... but now that you are introducing prose, communication, depth of meaning, import and impact, I wish to take you up on that!

    That is a boost to my thesis and not the other way round. May I ask: why isn't there documentation of the lingo? remember, we are arguing the word superior!

    OlaM, could you give me in yoruba lingo a prose or statement with depth and import, and I shall give you at least three words or statements that have far reaching effect on the hearer/reader than Yoruba lingo?:)

    A reminder: We are debating on superiority!

    Igabgbo in english: Belief, Creed, Dogma, Conviction, Credo, Theism, Doxy, Canon!
     
  20. Abike

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    hmmmm.........
     

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