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Yoruba language is dying! Do you agree?

Discussion in 'MOVIES IN AFRICAN LANGUAGES' started by vince, Aug 24, 2005.

  1. paj

    paj D JENGBORAN OF YORUBALAND

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    ..I disagree mayn....when I speak to my friends wey sabi speak Ijinle Yoruba we have a ball speaking it...it's artistry in itself that no oyibo insurgency can kill.Na when I converse with those who can understand the Ijinle that I water it down a little...or perhaps just when I feel like showing off the combination of other slangs with the mothertongue...the ability to show flair(afeferity) is what makes us Yorubas who we are,be it in attitude,deed or language..
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  2. Multioption

    Multioption Well-Known Member

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    Pete, english is the only language in the world that keeps evolving, if that doesn't translate into superiority, I wonder what then is!
     
  3. Multioption

    Multioption Well-Known Member

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    Funmo, did you say you dey hibernate before my post....? Could you say that in yoruba? :biggrinsa
     
  4. Funmibaby

    Funmibaby Well-Known Member

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    :roll brilliant! pa j, wusup my babe
     
  5. paj

    paj D JENGBORAN OF YORUBALAND

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    if anyone here wants me to prove that..

    ...english is not anywhere to being superior to Yoruba(I didnt read through all the stuff previously posted) let's continue some of this dialogue in the mothertongue.... and I mean strict,undiluted and un-englishized version of the language...meaning:I will reply to U in strictly yoruba..no english words of any kind..smokin: I no get time to dey try break down words into nouns,conjuctions or past participles...just yan and I go yan back.. smokin:
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  6. Abike

    Abike Well-Known Member

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    je ka bere oro wa! :D




     
  7. paj

    paj D JENGBORAN OF YORUBALAND

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    ...mo wapa jare omoge..kilon shele? smokin: mo si ngbadu aworan re timbe ni egbe jigi mbeun... smokin:

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  8. paj

    paj D JENGBORAN OF YORUBALAND

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    ....iwo ati iborun re yii sha.. :biggrinsa
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  9. Pete

    Pete Well-Known Member

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    Seriously, how can buying into foreign expressions and slyly inducing it into your language make it superior?? Honestly, I don't get it, Multi. If that is the case, does it suggest that Yoruba language would increase in "superiority" if it keeps "evolving" by having modified foreign terms added to it constantly?

    French has been around before English, I think, and it keeps evolving too, but it tends to stay more original than English language.
     
  10. Abike

    Abike Well-Known Member

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    iwo ni mo fi jo o! a bo mon?




     
  11. Multioption

    Multioption Well-Known Member

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    Superiority is measured by the power to subjugate, so I wonder how my people can fault the obvious!
     
  12. Multioption

    Multioption Well-Known Member

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    An escape route for you, bro! Powerful words are fraught with meaning! If it is not a warning or proverb, it is useless. I risk saying more lest I incur the wrath of NRulers!
     
  13. Gen Sani Abacha

    Gen Sani Abacha SUPREME DICTATOR

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    @MultiOption,
    Are you making the claim that the English language is innately superior to the Yoruba language(and other West African languages) ?
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    Are you claiming that English is more developed than Yoruba and our West African brother languages ?

    In the first instance I wouldn't agree with you. In the second instance you do have a point there. You langauges develop through usage, and the more domains of usage it has, the more developed the language becomes. English is more developed because it is being used(and has been used for a few centuries now) in several domains of endeavour. International science, technology, business, diplomacy, entertainment and even warfare are being conducted in English(ditto other European languages), however African governments(along with the so-called educated elite) have largely refrained from using African languages outside the domains of Entertainment, Religion and Culture. This has restricted African linguistic development, hence we have to depend on our colonial rulers' languages for development. In this situation, the African neo-colonial elite have been able to subjugate and humiliate mothertongue speakers, rule over them and control their destinies. This is achieved by making the colonial language dominant in our environemnts, while our langauges are subdued.

    Do you know for instance that modern day standard written Italian and modern standard written Serbian are about the same age as standard written Yoruba ? Before their written development, Latin and old church Slavonic were the lnguages of choice in those territories. In two centuries both langauges have undergone comparatively massively more development than Yoruba. This is not due to their inherent superiority over Yoruba language, but due to the commitment and nationalism of the people speaking those languages. Their governments, religious leaders, business people, entertainers, artists etc supported the languages whole heartedly. They used it to create and sustain their own national/regional identities, whereas in Africa, we were encouraged to forgo our own identities. We were taught to look down on our own languages('no speak vernacular in shcool'), despise, humiliate and victimise those who speak it etc. Just look at the national linguistic policies of most African countries, European or Arabic langauges are priviledged and given pride of place, whereas our own languages are given short shrift and treated as useless and unimportant! Don't you think that if our governments and elites had supported our own languages properly over the past two hundred years, they would be much more developed than they are now ? The Twi-Asante language of Ghana has been in written form since the 1700s(by the Danes), yet it has less domains of usage than Yoruba, which was only reduced to writing almost a century later! Why is this you may ask ? Neo-colonialism on the part of the govt and elite.

    On their own, our languages are neither inferior or superior to other languages of the world, however based on functional domains of usage, they are less dveloped than other languages of the world. Number of speakers, literary output and functional usage are the main measurements of a languages development. Aesthetics(auditory pleasures of poetry, music etc are a separate issue) Now consider that a field of studies like computer Science is less than a hundred years old(though many ideas that inspired it are many centuries old), with the written Yoruba langauge being twice as old, yet we have no way of learning it, unless we take courses in English! This doesn't make Yoruba inherently superior, it just means we |Africans(Yorubas) have been lazy, and colonially minded to develop our language. Now, the yoruba Studies Association of Nigeria, and other bodies have pushed the dvelopment of the language for decades, however the government, media and elites have been unresponsive.

    Are you aware that there has been a Yoruba dictionary of Engineering Physics(The ancestor of Nuclear Physics I believe) terms available in for over a decade ? Or that there have been moves by Nigerian linguists to dvelop our languages for use in Science and Technology, Mathematics etc, but our various governments do not support such moves. In the days of the western region, there was considerable regional government supported development going on in the field of Yoruba studies. With the berak up of the region, that died down with it! Can see how over-centralisation is even hampering our linguistic development ? If we had kept up the development of our langauges with science and technology etc over the past two centuries, they would in better shape now. You would be able to study Computer Science up to postgraduate level entirely in Yoruba. Are you aware that the United Nations considers any language with at least ten million speakers to be a world language ? With at least thirty million speakers, Yoruba is world language already! Out of the world's top hundred languages, Yoruba comes in at number forty nine.

    I could go on and on, but maybe I should stop here for now. In conclusion Multi my good friend, I do not agree that Yoruba is inferior to English. Less developed, certainly so! Inferior, NO!

    @All, the Yoruba language specialists in Nigeria, Benin republic, USA, UK etc are doing sterling work to push things forward, however the beckward attitude of our governments and elite people back home is holding the fruitful labours back. That's another reason why you should all support a genuine National Conference(sovereign or not), to restore balanced, industrially and economically efficient, cultrurally sound, equitable regional government.

    My Fellow Nigerians, sorry for the long post, and for those of you who have had the patience to bear with me till the end, I thank you for your time.

    ciao
     
  14. Abike

    Abike Well-Known Member

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    dang!




     
  15. Gen Sani Abacha

    Gen Sani Abacha SUPREME DICTATOR

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    Sorry girl, I'm a bit of a Yoruba language activist and I couldn't let this go! I either had to make a comprehensive reply, or not reply at all. If you can't read it now, take it in steps when you're less busy. :biggrinsa

    ciao
     
  16. Funmibaby

    Funmibaby Well-Known Member

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    Yoruba less developed??? how is yoruba less developed than italian? see, yoruba is a language that is descriptive when we name objects. Things like computer, keyboard, mouse, those things can be easily inferred. I believe there's even a word for computer now sef. I mean we developed words for television, car, radio, phone, etc with the industrial age which was the last known revolution before this computer one. Believe me, Yoruba is extensive as it is. I studied italian and BELIEVE me, there's nothing about it that's more developed than Yoruba.
     
  17. OlaMichael

    OlaMichael Don't Suffer Fools Gladly

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    How??? You asked me to give you a sentence filled with import so you can give me 3 words/statements in english that surpass it......then I provide one....and then you default on your end of things...and then you say to me "an escape route"?? :confused: That one beats me. Men....abeg go siddon!! What does it matter what it is??? Figure of speech....adage....warning??etc... At least you understood it.... Provide words that carry the same import...you tell me about me looking for an escape route. Please methinks you're the on looking for an escape route o. :)

    Anyways, so as not to provide you with a means of escape. It is a proverb. Translating it literally inton english will make it lose it's meaning.... but basically it means "The riverbanks/marsh stands proud like it's not dependent on the river, then the river dries up".

    Oya ...let's have your 3 words..... :rolleyes:
     
  18. Gen Sani Abacha

    Gen Sani Abacha SUPREME DICTATOR

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    By development, I'm talking about functional development in usage domains. For instance you can't obtain a degree in Chemistry, Biology, Computer Science, Economics, Engineeering, Aeronautics etc via the Yoruba langauge. You can't learn to fly an aeroplane, navigate a ship or space shuttle using entirely the Yoruba languge. We still need to adapt/develop the language to include these fields of endeavour/knowledge. This doesn't make Yoruba inferior, but it does mean the langauge hasn't been developed to include those fields just yet! I myself have been part of the efforts to adapt/adopt/create terms to bring the world, wide web and Computer Science as a field of endeavour into the Yoruba language, so I know what I am talking about.

    ciao
     
  19. OlaMichael

    OlaMichael Don't Suffer Fools Gladly

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    Funmo....how now? Longest time! I've missed you actually. Oh well....we've all been hibernating I guess and it takes an interesting topic like this to pull us out. ;) Nice response. I was actually waiting for Multi...and still waiting for him to finish before taking him down the line u've started to take...The bobo is already stalling sef.

    As per my avatar, na so I c am o...this na the chines lady I bought stuff from when I last China. I told her sha that she and her sister be my chinese wives....abi? lol

    It's funny that Multi thinks english language is "Superior" to yoruba one just based on the fact that he reckons (at least so it seems) that english has more words that mean the same thing.and yoruba doesn't. Hmmmm...I am so hoping that my understanding of his post is wrong o....cos men... :biggrinsa
     
  20. OlaMichael

    OlaMichael Don't Suffer Fools Gladly

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    You do have a point there. More dynamic and developed? Yes I agree. superior? Mba. No way...sam sam. Yoruba is very powerful and lyrical. With 1 or 2 adages....in yoruba...an entire village will understand an entirely unknown story/scenario/picture. Such is the power and magnificence of the language that when praise in this language is employed....your whole being just kinda responds to the adulation etc.

    I do agree though that it is not as developed as English language. But that goes back to what Abike said earlier. Could it be because no one bothers to keep records of words??? Cos I am sure there probably words that describe those elements that will allow you to effectively fly and aeroplane etc.
     

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