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Yoruba pioneered films on screen and video in Nigeria

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teejay

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Thats always been the basis of my argument when we start all these silly tribal rantings.....the more people come to the party in mainstream "nollywood" the less there would be of the percieved bias, and the amalgamation of cultures would be so smoother, such that you would have a range of ethnic stories, not only the igbo culture which is what is on display and which everyone seems so angry about...(Thats if you care about ethnicity that much, I dont, all I want is a good flick)

Some of the mainstream practioners must want to address this issue, but if you seperate yourself as a different entity and start whingeing...whats to be done.

My own grouse with Nollywood is even on the lack of progress in storyline, film making techniques and poor technical input...the tribal argument doesnt even register in my books..nollywood has bigger problems than whether it is Chike or Abayomi that acted the lead role!


I really do appreciate your point here Kikis. You have said it all ! and that is what I based my point on as well.

Yes, Nollywood is the third largest film Industry.... The question is, third largest in what exactly? in quantity or quality. At this point, one can say emphantically that quality isn't there yet... But quantity, absolutely yes! This is where you have about 1000 films being released in a year and may be 2% out of them are of good storyline, excellent technicallities and what have you.

It is not the issue of whether Yoruba or Igbo Artistes pioneered the home movies in Nigeria. it is the question of, are the productions of excellent quality?
 
I really do appreciate your point here Kikis. You have said it all ! and that is what I based my point on as well.

Yes, Nollywood is the third largest film Industry.... The question is, third largest in what exactly? in quantity or quality. At this point, one can say emphantically that quality isn't there yet... But quantity, absolutely yes! This is where you have about 1000 films being released in a year and may be 2% out of them are of good storyline, excellent technicallities and what have you.

It is not the issue of whether Yoruba or Igbo Artistes pioneered the home movies in Nigeria. it is the question of, are the productions of excellent quality?
Nope! The subject of the matter is: who pioneered the Nigerian home video industry. And that would be us -the Yorubas.
 

teejay

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Nope! The subject of the matter is: who pioneered the Nigerian home video industry. And that would be us -the Yorubas.
Yes, Peaches, I totally agree with you, Yorubas Pioneered the Nigeria Home movies. But, my question is, what exactly do we want to derive from that then?
 
Eeeeeaasy Peaches. It hasn't gotten to that oh. Lagos is big for everybody to do their thing.
Yes, Lagos is big enough and we continually clear the bushes to build houses so as to accomodate more immigrants.

But the question is: Is Aba, Onitsha or Anambra big enough for us to do our thing? Eh? Is it accomodating like Lagos?

But no o, we are the "tribalists" or even racist like some will call it.
 

teejay

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Well, the only consolation is the point that I have made earlier that there should be Unity among all the Nigerian artistes.

Believe me sincerely, when there is that oneness and togetherness, in terms of learning new techniques from each other, being under one body that will see to the story lines, plotting and editing as well as the sound and the lightenings before the shooting and the releasing of the movies, there will definitely be advancement, progress and improvement in the quality of their productions.
 
Well, the only consolation is the point that I have made earlier that there so be Unity among all the Nigerian artistes.

Believe me sincerely, when there is that oneness and togetherness, in terms of learning new techniques from each other, being under one body that will see to the story lines, plotting and editing as well as the sound and the lightenings before the shooting and the releasing of the movies, there will definitely be advancement, progress and improvement in the quality of their productions.
Frankly Tj, you shouldn't be telling me this at all. My people are the ones being discriminated against and we have stretched our arms longer than necessary to embrace the Igbos but they keep turning us down. How many non Igbo actors/actress have lamented in the past about this glaring segregation? How many? Now be honest.

We didn't want division, we never started this segregation thing. The igbos hijacked our industry and made it a family affair. If your name isn't Nduka or Ngozi you don't get a part. No one should preach to us about segregation, we are the most receptive group of people I know in that country called Nigeria! Yes! I said it!

How many Obafemi Awolowo road are there in Onitsha or Aba? How many Obasanjo way or Fela close are there in Enugu? Yet, we are the ones not being co-operative o.

Don't no one preach to me at the tip of their tongue about unity. There is no unity in Nigeria, there has never being one. Everyone fights for their own kind and their own clan which is clearly displayed in Nollywood.

Personally, I think the Yorubas should leave Home Videos to the Igbos and let them knock themselves out. We are professionals, we are filmmakers, trained actors. We can capitalise on our strengths in the theatre and film making arena. Go large scale. Bring back the cinemas and premiere our movies there.

The idea of us begging for some role in some sham movie disgusts me and no, i'm not for one Nigeria anymore. I'm for the break up of Nigeria! It was never meant to be anyway!
 
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Frankly Tj, you shouldn't be telling me this at all. My people are the ones being discriminated against and we have stretched our arms longer than necessary to embrace the Igbos but they keep turning us down. How many non Igbo actors/actress have lamented in the past about this glaring segregation? How many? Now be honest.

We didn't want division, we never started this segregation thing. The igbos hijacked our industry and made it a family affair. If your name isn't Nduka or Ngozi you don't get a part. No one should preach to us about segregation, we are the most receptive group of people I know in that country called Nigeria! Yes! I said it!

How many Obafemi Awolowo road are there in Onitsha or Aba? How many Obasanjo way or Fela close are there in Enugu? Yet, we are the ones not being co-operative o.

Don't no one preach to me at the tip of their tongue about unity. There is no unity in Nigeria, there has never being one. Everyone fights for their own kind and their own clan which is clearly displayed in Nollywood.
Personally, I think the Yorubas should leave Home Videos to the Igbos and let them knock themselves out. We are professionals, we are filmmakers, trained actors. We can capitalise on our strengths in the theatre and film making arena. Go large scale. Bring back the cinemas and premiere our movies there.

The idea of us begging for some role in some sham movie disgusts me and no, i'm not for one Nigeria anymore. I'm for the break up of Nigeria! It was never meant to be anyway!
Actually, Peaches, you're right about being discriminated against. Let me explain- some would argue with you that the Yorubas started it when they ratted out on the Igbos/South-Easterners during the 1967 pogrom and when Awolowo refused to declare Oduduwa Republic alongside Biafra; as well as when he paid £20 to everyone after the war regardless of their financial status.

A lot of us have been indoctrinated into this Yorubas/Igbos can't be trusted - with each tribe citing their own reasons why.

As for being the most receptive group:confused: but then again you're entitled to your own opinion - which if you were an Igbo or South Easterner in the Redeemed church I attended (here in the UK for about 3years), you will understand how insular some Yorubas can be if you are not one of them/can't understand and/or speak their language and how small that makes you feel.

You are also right about Nigeria not being united. There are too many wounds that are not yet healed; trust me. If you wish to, read the accounts of the civil war, possibly by Fredrick Forsythe - who incidentally is neither Igbo nor Yoruba! Maybe the only way out is if every one goes their separate ways as you suggested. Ironic isn't it, that 40years ago, Ojukwu said the same thing and they called him a rebel!

Anyway, my dear sister, I don't wish to preach at you because I know we all have our prejudices -be they tribalism or something else but I can assure you, in my own opinion, that the Yorubas are not entirely blameless in this whole saga. However, I appreciate where you're coming from... let's see how this whole Nollywood thing would play out. It started from somewhere, so let's see how far it would go and what shape it would take. Hope we would all be there to see it happen.

Cheers all!!!

Just wanted to add one more thing - One of the pioneer Nigerian Films - Amadi (1975) was by Ola Balogun, born and bred in Aba!!! See what we can do when we work together!!! And there is an Adelabu Street in Enugu, a Bisalla Road amongst others:bouncy
 

teejay

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Frankly Tj, you shouldn't be telling me this at all. My people are the ones being discriminated against and we have stretched our arms longer than necessary to embrace the Igbos but they keep turning us down. How many non Igbo actors/actress have lamented in the past about this glaring segregation? How many? Now be honest.

We didn't want division, we never started this segregation thing. The igbos hijacked our industry and made it a family affair. If your name isn't Nduka or Ngozi you don't get a part. No one should preach to us about segregation, we are the most receptive group of people I know in that country called Nigeria! Yes! I said it!

How many Obafemi Awolowo road are there in Onitsha or Aba? How many Obasanjo way or Fela close are there in Enugu? Yet, we are the ones not being co-operative o.

Don't no one preach to me at the tip of their tongue about unity. There is no unity in Nigeria, there has never being one. Everyone fights for their own kind and their own clan which is clearly displayed in Nollywood.

Personally, I think the Yorubas should leave Home Videos to the Igbos and let them knock themselves out. We are professionals, we are filmmakers, trained actors. We can capitalise on our strengths in the theatre and film making arena. Go large scale. Bring back the cinemas and premiere our movies there.

The idea of us begging for some role in some sham movie disgusts me and no, i'm not for one Nigeria anymore. I'm for the break up of Nigeria! It was never meant to be anyway!
I quite understand your grievances against this issue, Peaches, ok! I am only saying my point here as a way forward in the industry. I am a yoruba lady and i am feeling what you are feeling on the idea of side tracking the YMG in the industry despite being the pioneer of the Nigeria Movie industry. But the fact still remains that, disunity will not solve the problems at all, my dear.
 

KikisMuffin

I no get ya time!!
I really do appreciate your point here Kikis. You have said it all ! and that is what I based my point on as well.

Yes, Nollywood is the third largest film Industry.... The question is, third largest in what exactly? in quantity or quality. At this point, one can say emphantically that quality isn't there yet... But quantity, absolutely yes! This is where you have about 1000 films being released in a year and may be 2% out of them are of good storyline, excellent technicallities and what have you.

It is not the issue of whether Yoruba or Igbo Artistes pioneered the home movies in Nigeria. it is the question of, are the productions of excellent quality?
That's all I've been saying all along. There are basic fundamental deficiencies in the nigerian film industry of today.We've identified the obvious problems over and over again

Arguments of tribal ownership are very secondary to the back end solution
 

grafikdon

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Nigeria, we hail thee!!! sweat: All these things wey una dey yarn don old well well, edon old so tay e make Methuselah(sp?) look like Lil Romeo... My own be say after threads and pages of same ol same ol load of absurd ethnic group jagbajantis...it's beginning to sound pretty much like "Osama Bin Laden is the Mayor of New York"... I weak o... truly truly, I weak o... sweat:

Naija, I dey hail o sweat:
 

KikisMuffin

I no get ya time!!
Nigeria, we hail thee!!! sweat: All these things wey una dey yarn don old well well, edon old so tay e make Methuselah(sp?) look like Lil Romeo... My own be say after threads and pages of same ol same ol load of absurd ethnic group jagbajantis...it's beginning to sound pretty much like "Osama Bin Laden is the Mayor of New York"... I weak o... truly truly, I weak o... sweat:

Naija, I dey hail o sweat:
Our own dear Native land!!!sweat: The same old same ole....you no weak pass me........but norrin spoilsmokin:
 

KikisMuffin

I no get ya time!!
Actually, Peaches, you're right about being discriminated against. Let me explain- some would argue with you that the Yorubas started it when they ratted out on the Igbos/South-Easterners during the 1967 pogrom and when Awolowo refused to declare Oduduwa Republic alongside Biafra; as well as when he paid £20 to everyone after the war regardless of their financial status.

A lot of us have been indoctrinated into this Yorubas/Igbos can't be trusted - with each tribe citing their own reasons why.

As for being the most receptive group:confused: but then again you're entitled to your own opinion - which if you were an Igbo or South Easterner in the Redeemed church I attended (here in the UK for about 3years), you will understand how insular some Yorubas can be if you are not one of them/can't understand and/or speak their language and how small that makes you feel.

You are also right about Nigeria not being united. There are too many wounds that are not yet healed; trust me. If you wish to, read the accounts of the civil war, possibly by Fredrick Forsythe - who incidentally is neither Igbo nor Yoruba! Maybe the only way out is if every one goes their separate ways as you suggested. Ironic isn't it, that 40years ago, Ojukwu said the same thing and they called him a rebel!

Anyway, my dear sister, I don't wish to preach at you because I know we all have our prejudices -be they tribalism or something else but I can assure you, in my own opinion, that the Yorubas are not entirely blameless in this whole saga. However, I appreciate where you're coming from... let's see how this whole Nollywood thing would play out. It started from somewhere, so let's see how far it would go and what shape it would take. Hope we would all be there to see it happen.

Cheers all!!!

Just wanted to add one more thing - One of the pioneer Nigerian Films - Amadi (1975) was by Ola Balogun, born and bred in Aba!!! See what we can do when we work together!!! And there is an Adelabu Street in Enugu, a Bisalla Road amongst others:bouncy
Ahhh...you've taken the argument to the very foundation on which some of these prejudices exist......but again I ask..what does the dislike/distrust or interpreted tribal bias in film have anything to do with the crappy quality of films that are being produced everyday across board???..we can go round and round in circles and leave out the root causes bcos of this tribal argument..next year when someone else whinges we will have this same argument and nothing would have moved an inch forward in 365 days post this thread!

Dat is my closing statement.smokin:
 
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